December 24, 2004
Washington state governor's race still being contested

I know you thought the elections were over for this year, but there is still one race still outstanding; yes even on Christmas Eve.
The Washington state governor's race is still too close to call, and has gone through two recounts. The most recent recount ended yesterday with Democrat Christine Gregoire winning by a mere 130 votes.
A prior recount gave the victory to Republican Dino Rossi, but this recount included 732 ballots in heavily Democratic King County (which includes the city of Seattle) which Democrats claimed were "mistakenly omitted" from the initial counts. The 732 ballots were permitted thanks to a state supreme court decision.
Rossi won the Election Day count by 261 votes and a subsequent machine recount by 42. Democrats paid for a hand recount, which put Gregoire up 10 votes; that lead widened to 130 after a state Supreme Court decision allowed 732 ballots to be reconsidered in King County, a Democratic stronghold. Those ballots had been mistakenly thrown out because of problems scanning signatures into a computer.In light of the high court's decision, Republicans want the secretary of state to delay certifying the election so they can seek reconsideration of rejected ballots in other counties.
On Thursday morning, Republicans submitted affidavits to King County elections officials from 96 people who voted for Rossi and believe their ballots were erroneously rejected because of signature problems. They say they have identified about 250 such voters statewide.
"We believe Dino Rossi is the legitimate Governor-elect of the State of Washington and we will continue fighting to protect his election," state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance said.
Dean Logan, King County's elections director and one of three members on its canvassing board, said those ballots would not be re-evaluated, because they had been properly considered and rejected.
"You will continue to hear accusations of fraud, of changing rules, of manufactured votes," Logan said Thursday, addressing rumors flying on the Internet and talk radio. "I believe the record shows most of these allegations, if not all of them, are totally untrue."
Adding to my skepticism are images like the picture of the election worker above -- his latex gloves have "GO DEMS" scrawled across them.
We know he's "impartial" in this process, right?
Yeah. Right.
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As I remarked over at Dean's, I think it would be an interesting rewrite of election laws to include a margin of error provision. If the result after some number of recounts falls within a certain margin of "very close," NOTA (none of the above) is the winner, and the election gets revoted with the two candidates barred from running again. That would be entertaining.
Posted by: Jay at December 24, 2004 07:31 AM (C5Ggm)
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I voted in this wacky election, and I agree. Run it again, without Dino or Chris, and see who wins. Nobody, see.
Posted by: John Slyfield at December 27, 2004 03:27 PM (DiVub)
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You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch!
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I have GOT to see this movie!

I've been a serious comic fan for a long time, but I'm probably the only one who hasn't read Frank Miller's Sin City.
The motion picture adaptation of Sin City is still on course for a summer 2005 release, and the trailer is finally out.
My God, this looks good! Pure noir, pure action, pure Miller, and with an all-star cast.
I simply have GOT to see this movie as soon as it comes out!
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Merry Christmas, Michael!
Posted by: Fausta at December 24, 2004 04:19 AM (/qQXk)
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I'd never heard of it until I saw and linked the trailer the other day, but your description is exactly right. It looks amazing!
Posted by: Jay at December 24, 2004 07:27 AM (C5Ggm)
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First off, Merry Christmas and the Happiest of New Years!
Second Frank Miller does indeed rock. I have a first edition of the comic (or if you prefer *graphic novel*) bagged and tagged in a comic box. Man there was some great stuff done back from 85 to about 95.
The movie sounds like a winner.
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December 23, 2004
This week's "follow-up" department
Monday, I groaned and otherwise
generally complained about the clothesline that Jacksonville safety Donovan Darius threw at Packers receiver Robert Ferguson, leaving Ferguson with no feeling below his waist until hours later at a hospital.
Well, the NFL has responded with a $75,000 fine against Darius for that "unsportsmanlike" hit.
Say what you will about the NBA, but at least the NFL adjudicates quickly and fairly. Darius had said Sunday night that he would appeal any fine from the league. No comment has come from Darius since the fine was handed down on Tuesday afternoon.
I also blogged poetic about the strange murder of Jennifer Corbin, and the case building against her husband Dr. Barry Corbin in suburban Atlanta. One of the bizarre points in the case I mentioned was the simularities of Jennifer's murder and that of a former girlfriend of Dr. Corbin's in Augusta, GA 14 years ago.
Well, Corbin was arrested on murder charges stemming from that 14 year-old cold case, based on evidence developed in relation to the current Gwinnett County case.
In between fanatical interviews on the Robert Blake case in California, and the heartless bitch who cut a baby out of a pregnant woman's belly in Kansas, I'm sure you'll hear about this one from CourtTV or Greta Van Susteren.
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Hello,
I've read your piece and listened to news reports on the recent turn of events of
the Gwinnett dentist and the death of his wife.
I would like to inquire, which may lead to an interesting story: How many suicide cases are actual murder cases?
One of the oldest forms of death that can often be manipulated to suit a killer, suicide.
So many families have questioned or protested the death of those they love. From self inflicted stabbings, hangings, gunshots, and so forth, can all be distorted by a murderer.
Whose to know the truth of a person's death, if it's not a true suicide? Just as the 14 year-old case in Augusta.
Just as in this situation, the newly release suspense novel, Won't Be Denied, threads
on the same MO as the Gwinnett dentist. The main character seeks to make a way to commit a crime that misleads the police as a sign of suicide.
How prevalent are murders portrayed as suicides?
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
C.F. Jackson
www.cfjackson.us
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Now terrorists can smuggle bombs on flat-chested women

The
Transportation Security Agency has revised it's "pat down" search policy, at least when it comes to women, thanks to (depending on who you talk to) some over eager agents who got grope-happy, or some overly sensitive women who felt they were "violated" by the searching.
Now, agents can only touch the "perimeter of the chest area" in their searches.
Sources at the Transportation Security Administration confirm they're changing the way they conduct pat-downs. Some women have complained bitterly recently that the more thorough pat-downs to check for explosives just went to far - especially in the breast area.
It seems to me that folks are failing to recall that a couple of Russian airliners went down on the same day earlier this year, and investigators have been able to determine with at least relative certainty that the bombs used to down those airliners were smuggled on board tucked in the underwear of Islamic women on board the planes.
So the TSA, in an interest of being sensitive, has politely and not so subtly told the bad guys that if they get a flat-chested woman (or a rather androgynous guy for that matter), and strap said explosives to the chest of that person in what would closely approximate breasts, that they won't be found out. Why? Because the TSA agents doing the searches won't find them!
All hail political correctness! It'll be the death of us all!
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Ask your wife about it after being felt up by a TSA employee.
My wife brought a new set of bras just so that her underwire bra won't set things off and result in being felt up. In San Juan, after such an experience, she said, "That woman has felt me up better than you ever have!" And I'm no slouch.

There's a problem.
When men start getting their "packages" massaged, I'll bet there will really be hell.
Posted by: DarkStar at December 23, 2004 07:45 AM (cnw1A)
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Turn you head and cough.
Posted by: BH at December 23, 2004 09:27 AM (Ki9Ww)
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How about, <insert sound of rubber glove slapping against hand here> "Bend over and relax. I don't like this either..."
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Upset about Rummy's autopen? But why?

While everyone is getting into a lather about Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's use of an "autopen" to sign condolence letters to the families of deceased soldiers,
Ann Coulter puts the "scandal" entirely in perspective.
It occurred to someone (who obviously has the best interests of America at heart!) that among the letters Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld sends out there must be condolence letters to the families of servicemen who died for their country. So liberals are in a lather that those letters were signed by autopen.On the bright side, this is the first war America has been in where the number of casualties is small enough that it would even be theoretically possible for a Defense secretary to sign each condolence letter personally. When Democrats were running the Vietnam War, letters of condolence often began, "To whom it may concern" and were addressed to "occupant."
I've been so damn upset that Rumsfeld uses an autopen that I've barely had time to enjoy the "Giving Tree" season. Actually, I think it's time to come clean with my readers and admit that I belong to a small religious cult that celebrates the birth of Jesus this week. So things have been a little hectic.
And if the best liberals are going to give me to argue about this week is Autopen-gate, then I shall sleep well knowing that the secretary of defense has made so few mistakes for the past four years that liberals are reduced to carping about his autopen.
My wife (She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed) and kids gave me a new journal and a pen set for my birthday last week.
Alas, it wasn't an autopen, so I'm forced to continue to sign the checks to pay the bills the old fashioned way. But maybe I'll get one before next Christmas to sign my Christmas cards with.
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A lttile context: The President signed all of his letters personally.
Posted by: BH at December 23, 2004 09:32 AM (Ki9Ww)
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This seems to be over blown target practice to me.
Posted by: DarkStar at December 23, 2004 11:13 AM (cnw1A)
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Autopens cost $15K. Don't hope for one.
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December 22, 2004
Now this is a guy with too much time on his hands...

Carlos Owens is building an 18-foot tall mech (or battle robot) in his back yard.
Owens, a 26 year-old steel worker in Anchorage, AK, plans on finishing it next summer.
"This is a concept that's been around for a long time," Owens said in a telephone interview. "But I'm not going to wait for the other guy to come out and make it when I've got the capability to do it myself."He's always had an eye for huge projects, and an inventor's itch. He built a 35-foot wooden version of his mecha when he was 19, he said, as a sculpture project because he couldn't afford the materials to make it function. The latest project, drawing on his experience in the Army and as a steelworker, is more ambitious.
"I've always been building things," he said. "But with the mecha I wanted to do something different than what everyone else was doing. It's hard to invent something new."
When completed, the idea is for the pilot to be able to strap himself into a central, padded compartment, and then control the mecha with the motions of his own body. When the pilot walks, the mecha walks. Raise an arm and open a hand, and the mecha does the same, with 46 possible movements planned.
Owens suggests on his own website,
Neogentronix.com, that one day mechs like this would be able to help put our wildfires or go into military combat.
Sounds like he's watched one too many episodes of Gundam Wing or someother Anime on Adult Swim.
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Watcher looking for more Watchers to Watch

The Watcher of Weasels
is looking to fill a vacancy among his ranks.
Indeed a prestigious place to watch from, mind you.
The rules are simple enough, and include weekly participation in the nomination and voting for the weekly Watcher of Weasels award.
Do you have what it takes to Watch?
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December 21, 2004
Peterson: "Say 'no' to Kwanzaa"

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, head of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization for a New Destiny (BOND), was quoted in a release from BOND yesterday
denouncing the Kwanzaa holiday, which is traditionally celebrated the week between Christmas and New Year's Day.
(Peterson) notes that while public school administrators and city officials attempt to ban nativity scenes, Christmas carols, candy canes and even Christmas trees from public places, Kwanzaa has been accepted as mainstream.While commonly viewed as an "African" holiday, observed from Dec. 26 to Jan. 1, Kwanzaa actually was created in the U.S. in 1966 by Dr. Maulana "Ron" Karenga, the head of a violent black-power group, United Slaves Organization, which was a rival to the Black Panthers.
In the 1970s, Karenga served four years in prison for conspiracy and assault in the torture of two female followers.
In a 1978 interview quoted in the Washington Post, Karenga said, "People think it's African, but it's not. I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods (blacks) would be partying."
Peterson insists that a continued acceptance of Kwanzaa as a holiday by the public, while the same public works to diminish the importance of Christmas is done at our peril.
"If black Christians don't stand up for Christmas and reject Kwanzaa, they are allowing evil to have its way," Peterson said. "They will regret using a fake holiday to stamp out the true meaning of Christmas."
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Has Mardi Gras taken away from Lent?
How about egg hunts? Have they taken away from Easter?
Peterson lacks the ability to correctly use logic. For example, he said because Jesse Jackson made the "Hymie town" comment, most Black preachers teach hatred of Israel.
You explain that "logic" to me. I couldn't follow it. And when I called his show to get him to explain it, he said I needed to be saved.
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DarkStar, setting aside the strictly religious aspect of Christmas (which, incidentally, I do every year as I'm not a religious person), I think that the general objection to Kwanzaa is that it is devisive. Kwanzaa was devised--or constructed, if you will--for no other reason than to divert attention from the historically religious holiday that is commonly known as Christmas. Karenga has said that, in fact. Mardi Gras and Easter egg hunts came after Lent and Easter were part of the common culture (Western culture, at least), just as Kwanzaa has, but they are a product of the observance of the holidays...not a stand-in. Kwanzaa, whether the folks who observe it realize it or not, has every intention of supplanting Christmas.
Yeah, Peterson may be overly zealous in his Gospel beliefs, but your "logic" is also faulty from the standpoint of a preconceived notion that an entirely fictitious holiday, based on fictional historical identities, is equally as valuable as Christmas is to the majority of US citizens. Your attempt to analytically dismiss objections to Kwanzaa is fallacious in and of itself. I'm not a religious person, but I admire the cultural advantage that we, as a nation, have gained from the mutual respect and morals that Christianity has provided in modern times. Karenga has neither.
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Nationals' stadium agreement reached
 DC Council Chair Linda Cropp (L) & Mayor Anthony Williams |
The Washington Nationals will play in the nation's capitol this year after all, thanks to a
late-night agreement hammered out between DC City Council Chair Linda Cropp and Mayor Anthony Williams in Washington last night.
The compromise reached by Mayor Anthony A. Williams, D.C. Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp and baseball officials allows private financing for a 41,000-seat stadium on the Anacostia River south of the Capitol but would eliminate a provision voiding the deal if private financing isn't found.Estimates for the project, which includes land acquisition, street improvements, infrastructure upgrades and refurbishing RFK Stadium, start at $435 million.
The revised deal also splits the liability for cost overruns and missed construction deadlines evenly between the city and Major League Baseball, Williams spokesman Chris Bender said.
The full council is set to vote on the revised proposal today.
I would presume that the team store in Washington's Union Station will start selling merchandise and tickets again later today, after the vote is made official.
(More coverage from
Wizbang & others)
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Congratulations, Powerline!
Powerline earned "blog of the year"
honors from
Time in this week's issue (though the article is only available online if you subscribe to the dead-tree edition of
Time), primarily for their role in uncovering the CBS News - "Rathergate" scandal. I'm proud to have them
on my blogroll, and to have corresponded with them and the other blogs who have gained national notice over the year.
Plenty of sources in the mainstream media continue to ignore blogs, but the bottom line is that we - as a whole - are an important of the news stream in the world today, and we get information and attention focused to where it's necessary.

Of course, it's also fun to take digs at the "bigs" once in awhile, too.
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'tis a far,far better thing I do that I go to Ramblings' Journal for the news I need to draw DaybyDay....
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December 20, 2004
GB receiver Ferguson hospitalized after vicious hit

Green Bay Packers receiver Robert Ferguson temporarily lost feeling in his legs last night after being clotheslined by Jacksonville Jaguars safety Donovan Darius.
Ferguson went up for a pass in the 4th quarter, and on coming down, Darius delivered a vicious clothesline to Ferguson's neck that sent his mouthpiece flying in one direction, his helmet in the other, and the fourth year receiver limply to the turf, unconcious.
Ferguson did not regain feeling in his legs until after he had been taken to a local hospital by ambulance. Jacksonville was penalized 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct, and Darius was ejected from the game, which Green Bay lost 28-25.
After the game, Darius was unapologetic.
"It's part of the game," Darius said. "Brett threw the ball and Ferguson was wide open. I was just running over trying to make a play, trying to separate him from the ball. I never intentionally try to hurt someone. I love to play the game and I play it 100 mph. Unfortunately, he got hurt. I pray for him. Everybody that saw it from our standpoint said it looked clean." But Packers receiver Antonio Chatman said it was clearly a dirty hit "because he got hit on the chin when he couldn't protect himself. I was just praying he was all right. We (receivers) don't go out to hurt nobody, or we'd be cutting them (defensive backs) every time. We block 'em like a man."
Darius said he's seen players stay in the game for hits worse than his.
"It was not intentional, I was just trying to make a play," he said. "I've done that in the past when I know I couldn't get an interception, I swung up, trying to get the ball. That's a technique."
Darius said he would appeal any fine the league hands down.
The NFL generally does not stand for injurius conduct like this from it's players -- you can be fairly certain that the League will send down a hefty fine to Darius for the hit.
The viciousness of the hit recalled a hit more than 25 years ago delivered by the Oakland Raiders' Jack Tatum to New England Patriots receiver Darryl Stingley, which left Stingley permanently paralyzed.
Here's hoping that we don't see any injurious cheap shots like that in the League any time soon.
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One major difference between last night's hit and the Tatum hit: when Tatum hit Stingley it was legal according to the rules of the day, and even Stingley says so. It's a thin line between playing hard and cheap shot, and I hope Ferguson is ok.
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I saw it, and the hit wasn't intentional. It was a hard hit but all of the hits are hard hits.
The receiver and defender were in motion and it happened.
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I'm afraid I disagree, DS -- just because they're in motion doesn't mean squat. The player who's on the ground is in control of his movements a lot better than one who's in the air, and Darius could just as easily have made his move in a way that would have avoided knocking Ferguson out.
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Ferguson moved "at the last moment" to try to avoid Darius. In fact, Ferguson clothes lined the guy because he would have missed the tackle.
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LaShawn: Kwanzaa is for Pagans
LaShawn Barber has rerun
a piece from 2002 which has seen a couple of title changes since it's first posting.
“Tis the Season to be Pagans,” “Why Black Christians Shouldn’t Celebrate Kwanzaa,” and now “Kwanzaa is for Pagans.” The underlying point of the piece is that all Christians need to be careful with spiritualized “celebrations” lest they become caught up with occultic and other forbidden doctrines.
I certainly understand the desire to celebrate the African culture for those who find themselves cloaked in it, but the larger question that I ask, is as opposed to celebrating a "holiday" that is no less manufactured than Hallmark and American Greetings' "Grandparents' Day" or "Boss' Day," why not actually do the research and celebrate a day in common with the peoples of the African cultures that you might hope to emulate?
Ah, but it's politically incorrect to even question the motives of those who manufactured Kwanzaa as a "holiday" to be celebrated -- and especially celebrated as a so-called alternative to Christmas.
Feh.
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Gotta love manufactured holidays.
Christmas for example.
Posted by: Nick Saunders at December 20, 2004 10:00 AM (vnSex)
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I don't go attacking your religion or lack of it, and you don't go attacking mine. Deal?
Posted by: Michael at December 20, 2004 11:06 AM (CO/Uo)
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Of course ALL holidays are "manufactured." Just as the Julian calendar is "manufacured." The difference between Christmas, Easter, and Kwanzaa is that the former two have historically religious roots and the latter was contrived by a religion-bereft borderline criminal to compete head-to-head with those religious holidays. Even the name of "Kwanzaa" is a joke, as it is in a language of a people who were not involved in the North American slave trade. Multi-culti relativists such as Nick worship anything that might bring the dominance of Western superiority to an end.
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Michael, your comment is actually one of the most reasonable I've seen on the topic.
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Michael,
"Nick" may have been making the pro forma argument that the date of Christmas is dubious. To wit
*:"The Gospels. Concerning the date of Christ's birth the Gospels give no help; upon their data contradictory arguments are based."
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But...
Ah, but it's politically incorrect to even question the motives of those who manufactured Kwanzaa as a "holiday" to be celebrated -- and especially celebrated as a so-called alternative to Christmas.
That's a cop out and wrong. It's not an alternative. Some who do it, do both, and make Christianity part of Kwanzaa.
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It's not an alternative. Some who do it, do both...
The implication of the word "some" is that
most who celebrate Kwanzaa
do regard it as an alternative.
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Actually, when I wrote
some, it was because I can't write all, or most, because I have no idea what proportion of people who celebrate Kwanzaa do both.
Based on my cirle, I could very few, less than 5%, actually practice Kwanzaa. But, again, I have no data to back it up.
I actually think more is being made of this than warrants it. In that context, I wonder why so much is made of it.
Posted by: DarkStar at December 21, 2004 08:29 AM (cnw1A)
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I was referring to the date. I have no problem with christmas my family celebrates it. (well the mid winter holiday but we use the term christmas)
SKH. I am a cultural relativist to a point. I have no idea wht kwanzaa is nor do I particularly give a monkeys. I also do not desire the downfall of the west I happen to like my culture. i do dislike idiots who cannot make a leap of faith to accepting there may not be cultural absolutes.
Marry Christmas by the way Michael.
Posted by: Nick Saunders at December 21, 2004 01:17 PM (vnSex)
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Nick, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. If you don't know what Kwanzaa is, then why do you feel compelled to comment on criticism of it? If some asshat manufactured a holiday honoring Jack the Ripper, would you scurry to defend it in the face of opposition? Are you explicitly saying that there are no cultural absolutes? If so, then you need to dismiss the "teachings" of your sociology and anthropology classes and explore life a bit longer.
Properly spelled, that would be, "Merry Christmas." Your misspelling almost convinces me that you are being insulting, instead of being tolerant.
Posted by: skh at December 21, 2004 08:57 PM (0xwoN)
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SKH.
1. I noticed a comment by whoever the black leader was denouncing it and the comment that it was created in the 1970s and set at a time when people would be celebrating anyway. That is exactly what happened with christmas. It was set at the same time as the pagan midwinter solstice despite all historical evidence suggesting Jesus (and i do believe he existed) was NOT born December 25th or even close to it. September/October is the most commonly recognised timespan as far as history goes. That said I like Christmas where it is. Would be no fun in September/October.
2. I don't study anthropology or sociology. I did do Philosophy which is where I came across relativism. Answer these if you can.
A. If there ARE cultural absolutes (and things like murder doesn't count here) ie one culture is right and the other wrong, on what is this based?
B. How does one KNOW ther culture is right?
3. No I would not commemorate Jack the Ripper. When is your KKK holiday then? when will you be celebrating Lyndie England and Abu Grahib?
4. Merry Christmas was genuine I hope he enjoys the holidays.
5. Honour has a U in it.
Posted by: Nick Saunders at December 22, 2004 12:16 AM (vnSex)
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Nick, here is what the "founder" of Kwanzaa said in 1978 concerning Kwanzaa: "People think it's African, but it's not. I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods (blacks) would be partying." Can you see why some people have a problem with this?
Concerning cultural absolutes, if you have doubts then perhaps it wasn't the philosophy, maybe your liberal mindset is to blame. To wit, the overwhelming majority of Arabs view women as inferior to their favorite livestock. Women can be killed for looking at other men, stoned or executed for being raped, and have no legal remedies under Islamic law. What do I base a blanket denouncement of their culture on? Common sense and decency. Can you honestly say that Arabs are correct in this behavior? The same can be said of much of African culture, which is largely Islamic. The concept of human life and human dignity may be a Western one, but I don't think that it is cultural conceit for me to believe that their culture is shitty in their treatment of womenfolk.
Your point #3: Disregarding your flaccid attempt to label me as a racist with your KKK jibe, you make my point for me. You aren't inclined to celebrate a manufactured holiday elevating Jack the Ripper to celebrity status, nor will I celebrate or even recognize a "holiday" began by a bigotted, violent criminal. Karenga himself shows disdain for the sheeple who have adopted his faux-African holiday...on this point, I agree with him.
Posted by: skh at December 22, 2004 04:28 AM (0xwoN)
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SKH.
I don't happen to believe that arabs are right in their treatment of women. Perhaps the question I asked should have been.
If you were brought up in a culture where it was acceptable to treat women as worse than livestock would you still hold the views you do today?
As the answer is i suspect no (no judgement just what i think is more likely) can you still claim our culture is the right one. It is about upbringing and socialisation. You and I and most people in the western world believe certain things largely because we live in this culture. The reason i think there are not cultural absolutes si that we are not all brought up in the same place in the same culture. we believe our culture is right because we live within it. The same is true of mr joe blogs in riyadh or damascus.
I happen to dislike the treatment arab nations give women but don't forget we weren't much better 600 years ago.
Anyway gotta go uni house is having xmas dinner and present giving before I go home for christmas. have a merry christmas and a good new year.
Posted by: Nick Saunders at December 22, 2004 08:41 AM (vnSex)
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Nick --
I didn't take it personally, but thanks for the heads up anyhow.
Merry Christmas to you and yours...
And Happy New Year, too!
Posted by: Michael at December 22, 2004 08:47 AM (CO/Uo)
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Let's just agree to disagree for right now, Nick. You are busy, I have about 17 30-foot strands of Christmas lights acting goofy around my eaves and hedgerows that are about to drive me nucking futz. I've got to get up early and figger out why the reds and oranges aren't blinking but the blues and greens are. On top of that, my 8-foot tall Frosty the Snowman has developed a marked lean to the left that will entail unhooking the electricity to his inflator and light. All in all, I have my day tomorrow filled with the joy of making my girlfriend joyous. Merry Christmas to you and Michael.
Posted by: skh at December 22, 2004 07:08 PM (0xwoN)
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Sounds fair to me. The joys of two sisters. They do the decorating long before I get home.
Posted by: Nick Saunders at December 23, 2004 05:53 AM (mxLf2)
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ARGGH! Frosty is back on an even keel, but those dadgum Wal-Mart lights need to be sent back to China on the nose cone of a Tomahawk. AARGGHH!!! It's a mystery why half of 'em won't light. I suggested taking a hammer to the blues and greens, but the gal won't agree. I'm about to bust some hypothesis tests on her to demonstrate why this is a conspiracy to make me insane. Mneh.
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December 18, 2004
My age is now the ultimate answer to everything
...at least to those of us
Hitchhiker's Guide fans...
Thanks to those who have sent greetings.
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Happy 42nd! at least you aren't saying "so long, and thanks for all the fish."
Posted by: Barry at December 18, 2004 06:00 PM (abkxs)
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Congratulations and many more!
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Posted by: McGehee at December 19, 2004 05:37 AM (S504z)
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Happy day and knowing the answer to "the question", is a good thing. But with this decidedly British bent to things...are we to expect Monty Python words of wisdom to pop up unexpectedly? Will Benny Hill's (or better yet the Hill's Angels) zany antics add a little spice to a bit of stoic news?
Anyhow hope you had a festive day.
Posted by: Guy S. at December 19, 2004 12:06 PM (pa0t/)
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Congrats. I would send you a pan-galactic-gargle-blaster, if I had the wherewithal to do it.
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December 17, 2004
The Peterson case is over, so here's the "next big Court TV case"

In Gwinnett County, just northeast of Atlanta, Jennifer Corbin was found dead with a gunshot in her head on December 4. The gun used was beside her in the bed where her 7 year-old son found her. The son, the Corbin's oldest, said that he thought his father, Dacula, GA, dentist Dr. Barton Corbin, had shot his mother.
As the investigation continues in this tragic death, a number of circumstances are coming to light.
First off, according to Jennifer's sister, Jennifer had filed for divorce from her husband on November 29.
Jennifer Corbin, a 39-year-old mother of two boys and a pre-school teacher, tried to file a criminal complaint with Gwinnett police against her husband, Dr. Barton Corbin, on December 1, according to her sister, Heather Tierney.Tierney says Jennifer told her she bought her own cell phone after her husband, a dentist in Dacula, Ga., filed for divorce on November 29. Jennifer said her husband eventually found out about it.
On Dec. 1, Jennifer apparently walked into a room of their house in Dacula to find the contents of her purse scattered across the floor and her phone missing, according to Tierney. Jennifer decided to confront Dr. Corbin and went to another room of the house, where he'd moved his belongings.
Tierney said that when Jennifer demanded her husband give her back her cell phone, he refused and tore out of the house wearing nothing but his bath towel.
When he got into a car and tried to drive away, Jennifer got behind the car, hoping to delay him long enough to get her phone back, Tierney said. Dr. Corbin wouldnÂ’t stop and ended up running over one of JenniferÂ’s feet.
And as if this wasn't bad enough, an even more bizarre coincidence is in play in this case.
Fourteen years ago, Dolly Hearn was found dead of a single gunshot wound to the head, the gun used, found in her lap.
Dolly was a dentistry student in Augusta, GA, and had reportedly tried to break up with her boyfriend, a fellow student. She was afraid of the boyfriend, and had told friends that he was borderline violent.
Dolly hoped that he'd just graduate and move on with his life, leaving her alone.
A few days later, she was dead.
The boyfriend's name: Barton Corbin.
Hearn had been dating Corbin, a fellow dentistry student at the Medical College of Georgia. She was breaking up with him before her death.In the months before her death, someone broke into her apartment, and another time someone vandalized her car.
Hearn suspected Corbin in the incidents and so did detectives.
Asked if Hearn was afraid of Corbin and if she was trying to get away from him, Richard County Sheriff’s Sgt. Scott Pebbles, the lead detective in the Hearn investigation, said, “You know I can’t speak for what she felt inside. I can only tell you that the police reports had been filed. Those were obviously a matter of public record and there were obviusly some issues between the two.”
Detectives questioned Corbin after HearnÂ’s death but the case languished until Dec. 4 this year when CorbinÂ’s wife died exactly the same way.
That case may be reopened as a result of the Gwinnett County case. The grand jury looking into the Gwinnett case is not due to meet again until after the first of the year.
Once the case gets a little more traction -- and considering that the Michael Jackson case won't heat up until at least the end of January to the beginning of February, look for this one to show up there and on the voyeuristic court shows (Fox's Greta VanSusteren and others) up and down the dial.
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Swiped, with attribution for my blog. And it appears the email address you have listed is not functioning.
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I think the Missouri woman who was murdered and had her baby ripped from her body is probably your next big Court TV case.
Posted by: Gib at December 20, 2004 03:35 AM (PsC2M)
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I think the article you've captioned may have been a little confusing. Jennifer Corbin did not file for divorce first. The article reads that "Tierney says Jennifer told her she bought her own cell phone after her husband, a dentist in Dacula, GA., filed for divorce on Nov. 29. Jennifer said her husband eventually found out about it." Jennifer bought the cell phone after her husband filed for divorce and it's the cell phone that was eventually discovered.
Gwinnett County Court records show ONE filing naming Barton Corbin as the Plaintiff and Jennifer Corbin as the Defendant.
Posted by: CKBME at December 21, 2004 11:48 AM (w/jqY)
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I lived in Washington Ga at the time of Dolly's death,it was her childhood home and where her father was one of the only dentists. No one there ever believed Dolly took her own life.
Posted by: susan at December 22, 2004 11:54 AM (XtnZr)
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Great Article, I enjoyed reading all the details. My thoughts and prayers go out to this family.
Posted by: Robin at December 22, 2004 04:47 PM (c73br)
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I would like to inquire, which may lead to an interesting story: How many suicide
cases are actual murder cases?
One of the oldest forms of death that can often be manipulated to suit a killer, suicide.
So many families have questioned or protested the death of those they love. From
self inflicted stabbings, hangings, gunshots, and so forth, can all be distorted by a
murderer.
Whose to know the truth of a person's death, if it's not a true suicide? Just as the
14 year-old case in Augusta.
Just as in this situation, the newly release suspense novel, Won't Be Denied, threads
on the same MO as the Gwinnett dentist. The main character seeks to make a way
to commit a crime that misleads the police as a sign of suicide.
How prevalent are murders portrayed as suicides?
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
C.F. Jackson
www.cfjackson.us
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The cases of Dolly Hearn and Jennifer Corbin are
apparent to any one absolutely alike. Was it providence that Jennifer had to die in order for Dolly's case to be brought into the limelight? If
so,may justice prevail. I feel such sorrow for both families and was very heartened to hear that
members of Dolly's family attended Jennifer's funeral and that they are there for each other. I imagine that what they could tell each other and probably did about Dr Corbin was identical in the way these women were treated before their deaths. I saw Dolly's brother on TV for the first time tonight and could not begin to fathom what he and the rest of Dolly's family have went through and felt these past 14 years. How hurtful it must have been to lose this beautiful young woman and never have closure or the killer when even the law suspected him all those years.
I do resent highly the fact that Dr.Corbin,just because he is a Dr.,did not have to do the things that a person of lesser means would have to go through with the law when his wife is found shot dead. The rest of us peons would have been arrested if not that day then a lot sooner than Corbin was. He got himself all lawyered up and even had his lawyer answering his door to his residence.If it is proven by law that he did these 2 murders,I hope he gets his just desserts. How smug he must have felt all these years when he was never arrested for Dolly's murder. My heart goes out to the Hearn family and the Corbin family. God Bless them all.
Posted by: Beverly Hawkins at December 23, 2004 01:35 PM (yYgeh)
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I live in Gwinnett and have seen the guy around at a few bars. There's a huge scientology movement here that no one seems to want to talk about.I wonder if he had any connections to W.I.S.E. They should search his home and computers for LRH literature. There was another shooter/stalking case with similarities (to the 1990 case) a couple weks ago involving a mail order russian bride. Place is going to hell faster than Clearwater.
Posted by: mat at December 23, 2004 03:38 PM (PPcsx)
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Mat-
Could you elaborate? I'd reallylike to know more about WISE.
Kind Regards,
Heather
Posted by: Heather at December 26, 2004 03:32 PM (6A8oN)
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Does anyone know Barton Corbin's whereabouts after the Hearn death, leaving Augusta, and prior to meeting his deceased wife????
Posted by: AH at December 27, 2004 09:12 AM (OYEUv)
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How sad that a man thinks he can get away with this..twice. And how sad that he did. The police didn't do enough to protect the wife after he ran over her foot. It's that assault with a deadly weapon? My daughter asked me a week ago why women don't get away from abusive men. I told her they may try, but the police don't do much to help or protect them. I know from personal experience. The best way is to arm yourself and hope the psycho doesn't catch you off guard
Posted by: Mellisa at January 13, 2005 03:17 PM (UQbQF)
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Could you elaborate? I'd too really would like to know more about wise
Posted by: Mail order brides at February 09, 2005 11:40 PM (icx4E)
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W.I.S.E. = World Institute of Scientology Enterprises.
Many businesses and/or Associatons have religious backing. For example, we're all familiar with the Salvation Army, which is a Christian Church and a registered charity. Similarly, the Church of Scientology backs certain organizations. A quick google search found that Narconon (Narcotics Anonymous) and the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) are backed by Scientology, as are I'm sure, many others.
But I'm not sure what Scientology has to do with the article.
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PA black minister protests "inequity" in Sunday liquor sales
Philadelphia area minister Jesse W. Brown
penned a letter to hislocal newspaper pointing out that the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board decided to have some urban package stores open on Sunday, while "state stores" in rural communities -- especially those with more conservative (of course this being code for "white") populations -- would be closed Sundays.
According to Jonathan Newman, Chairperson of the Liquor Control Board (LCB), some communities in the state would not be forced to accept the Sunday sales. "We have some stores in rural pockets where it wouldn't work because of the religious, conservative beliefs," Newman said.
As an African American pastor in an urban community who has fought for years against the intrusion of liquor sales in our neighborhoods, I take great offense at Mr. Newman's statement, made in a city with population that is just 2.6 percent African American. The statement made it very clear that this Administration is far more concerned about religious beliefs of Whites than those of Black Pennsylvanians.
Hmm... Let's see. urban area where enough sales can be made on Sundays to justify the salary of the workers there, versus rural area where the amount of sales does
not offset or justify the salary of the employees who would work Sunday.
Discrimination?
I don't think so!
More like sound business practice!
But then again, this is coming from a resident of a state that is dry Sundays (gotta love Georgia, right?), and would much rather be able to buy booze on Sunday morning after church while doing my regular grocery shopping as opposed to making a special trip Saturday night.
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The 2005 Dead Pool - my "short list"

OK. This year, I'm going to enter the
Dead Pool.
I missed it last year, and kicked myself for doing so.
For those of you who see this as morbid, keep in mind that as a former reporter and talk show host, I developed this sick gallows humor over the years -- working for CNN (even though it was in Sports) didn't help any; if anything, it sharpened it a bit.
Anyhow, here's my list of fifteen:
Michael Jackson -- I really think he'll do himself in before the end of next year. IMO, the trial will end up getting to him, especially as some of the really sick stuff starts to come out.Keith Richards -- He already looks like he's been embalmed, why not finish the job?Gerald Ford -- Notice that you haven't seen ol' Gerry lately -- not even at the unveiling of Bubba's Presidential Double-Wide last month.Pope John Paul II -- The Vatican (and all the networks) has been getting ready for this for hte past several years. Nothing cynical to say here; just looking at the Holy Writing on the Wall.Abe Vigoda -- I didn't realize he was still alive! I remember Fish from Barney Miller; wasn't he old then!?Robert "Sheets" Byrd -- Couldn't happen to a nicer klansman-turned-moonbat.Courtney Love -- Why isn't she dead already!? I'm convinced that her internal gas tank is blinking "empty" (along with what passes for her brain), it just hasn't coughed it's last yet.Osama Bin Laden -- OK, I'll finally admit that Osama Yo Mama is still alive, but he can't run from the eternal celestial 7-11 forever.Pervez Musharaf -- I really think some Islamakazi is gonna nail Pakistan's president. It's not like they haven't been trying.Kim Jong-Il -- Headline: "Crazy dictator pushes starving subjects too far, subjects bite back." 'Nuff said.Abu Al-Zarqawi -- With every tom, dick & harry in Iraq looking for this goon, someone's gonna nail him. Soon.Richard Pryor -- A hard life and multiple schlerosis have taken their toll on poor Rich. James Doohan -- Scotty has made his last personal appearance, and dementia is setting in. I don't think he can engineer his way out of eternity.Ted "Jabba the Drunk" Kennedy -- Pickled liver, pickled brain, pickled Ted.William Rehnquist -- Once he steps down from the Bench, he won't be long.
There are at least two others I'd love to add as bonus picks if I could:
Rosa Parks, who sadly is suffering from dementia also;
Ariel Sharon, who is bigger'n I am, but is ducking and dodging folks trying to kill him on a daily basis.
If you want to join the pool, you've got until the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve to pick 15 of your own and get 'em in. Laurence has all the rules over at The Dead Pool, as well as a list of prizes for the taking.
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Oh, man, I used to do that stuff, it was called the Ghoul Pool back then. Tried to stop being so morbid. Think I quit when Madelyn Kahn died, I took it too personally. I would likely bet on Fidel Castro dying soon. At least we can hope.
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Washington Nationals close store; begin refunding ticket monies

The Washington Nationals, after being dealt a significant blow by the DC City Council with regard to construction of a new stadium, shuttered the one memorabilia store they had opened, and
began refunding money paid for season tickets today.
Major League Baseball has told its vendor to suspend sales of the items indefinitely. The temporary Washington Nationals store set up near RFK Stadium is now closed.The team has also suspended the hiring of front office and support personnel. Major league Baseball officials have said the Expo's baseball operations will continue but efforts to sell sponsorships. arrange broadcast deals and conduct other marketing efforts are all on hold.
Washington Mayor Anthony Williams was quoted as saying that the deal would have to be fixed within the next two weeks if it could be at all.
It is unclear whether the Washington Nationals/Montreal Expos will play this season in Washington, Montreal or some other city.
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Seems like it would be wise to snatch up all the memorablia you can get your hands on. Definite collectors items.
Posted by: King of Fools at December 16, 2004 05:49 AM (ktIW6)
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That didn't take long. The jerseys linked to below are now out of stock. You better get a
hat while you can.
Posted by: Keith at December 16, 2004 02:35 PM (DrZwK)
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I understand the key to the failure was the city council's voting to not spend a beaucoup of public funds on it. Interesting.
Posted by: Chap at December 16, 2004 10:27 PM (wp4/x)
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How about moving them to the Dominican, to cut down on the commute of MLB's shortstops?
Or, to New York. We once had three teams--and maybe by splitting the market a bit it will help even out resources. Besides, even with Pedro, the Mets are still going to be a good AAA team, and I'd like watch some Major League baseball this year!
Posted by: Tony Iovino at December 17, 2004 02:25 AM (0eViP)
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Meanwhile, we can all get to work on that time machine, which we can use to go back in time and torment that owner of the Senates team who stole it from us. :-((
Posted by: Lola at December 17, 2004 05:55 AM (V1eTE)
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Chap, that is correct. The mayor told MLB the city would happily build a stadium. One of the councilmembers (Kropp, who I normally wouldn't give the time of day to) inserted language at the 11th hour stating 50% had to be paid by private funds. With no time to get that funding before the deadline at the end of the year ran out, there probably won't be a stadium deal at end-fo-year. I happen to agree with Kropp; the mayor can say all he wants about how much money it'll bring into DC but in the past it's shown to be a bust. Take a look at Pittsburgh: shiny new stadium and the city is barely solvent because of the funds they paid, but at least they kept their teams! DC is in a bitch of a lot worse shape than the Pitt was. Believe you me.
I bought my father-in-law a hat for Christmas online two days before the vote, and I hope it'll still get delivered.
On another note, does anyone get today's Day by Day (Ukraine elections and soup)?
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Chevy Chase unloads expletive-laden diatribe against Bush

Chevy Chase, who still can't seem to get his career back on track,
unloaded on President Bush with both barrels Tuesday night at an awards ceremony he hosted for moonbat group People for the American Way at Washington's Kennedy Center.
Chase unloaded on the President near the end of the event. His tirade left most of the moonbats there speechless.
Chase took the stage a final time and unleashed a rant against President Bush that stunned the crowd. He deployed the four-letter word that got Vice President Cheney in hot water, using it as a noun. Chase called the prez a "dumb [expletive]." He also used it as an adjective, assuring the audience, "I'm no [expletive] clown either. . . . This guy started a jihad."Chase also said: "This guy in office is an uneducated, real lying schmuck . . . and we still couldn't beat him with a bore like Kerry."
People for the American Way distanced itself yesterday from the actor's rant. "Chevy Chase's improvised remarks caught everyone off guard, and were inappropriate and offensive," Ralph Neas, the liberal advocacy group's president, said in a statement. "It was not what I would have said, and certainly not the language People for the American Way would ever use in discussing any president of the United States."
Founder Norman Lear agreed, telling us: "I thought it was utterly untoward, obviously unexpected and unscripted and all that stuff. And, uh -- it was Chevy Chase. He'll live with it, I won't."
Sen. Tom Daschle, the former minority leader, looked taken aback when he went on directly after Chase. His opening line: "I've had to follow a lot of speakers, but -- "
Chase ducked out of the ceremony immediately after that, and did not come back out for an encore. Chase didn't talk to the press afterward either.
(More coverage from
Wizbang & others)
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When will these pinhead celebrities realize that Bush-bashing isn't funny anymore?
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Posted by: Penn at December 16, 2004 06:30 AM (UaigI)
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Where'd they get the idea it ever was?
Posted by: McGehee at December 16, 2004 07:26 AM (S504z)
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it the uneducated people of the world that have a problem with people speaking out... this country is in a slide a big slide and bush is bulldozing it into the ocean rapidly wakeup
Posted by: yi[ppee at December 18, 2004 02:37 AM (bjzpm)
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This is certainly no time to stop attacking Monkey Boy!....He is our servant and he's doing a shitty job.We should point that out loudly and regularly. Rail on Chevy..rail on!
Posted by: Neochondriac at December 18, 2004 08:25 AM (+7VNs)
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Bush-bashing? Don't make me laugh. Say you go to Jack-in-the-Box and get food poisoning, would you be guilty of bashing if you complain about your turd-in-the-box? What I think is funny is how liberals get all shocked when someone comes and lays it on the line. Now Chevy won't get invited to these 'polite society' gatherings. Boohoo. The moderates on the right and the left are killing this country.
Posted by: disgusted at December 18, 2004 10:04 AM (lV4fW)
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Chevy is a dopey washed-up nothing of a man. He is the "f*ck" for calling a standing president names like this. What a turd this guy has become since his "funny days" on SNL and his "Vacation" films. I want him to go away now. Chevy "not-funny-anymore" Chase, you've officially become a nuisance.
Posted by: Curt at December 18, 2004 10:06 AM (NuM8/)
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Kick ass shit. Finally someone in Hollywood got enough balls to come out and state the obvious.
Posted by: Kick Ass at December 18, 2004 08:51 PM (4hrG0)
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Wow, we have someone comparing Bush basing with getting bad food as if the two directly relate somehow. Another who calls him Monkey Boy as if he could do better and a guy who begins with an "it the uneducated".
You respect the office if not the man but that has been lost on the last couple of "me" generation babies who have had everything handed to them. Grow up you meandering whimps, the war in Iraq sucks but we are there. Support the troops, show disdain for our Government in a productive way like it says in the Consitution and tell the wackos like Franken, Chase and Moore to move to France where they belong.
Posted by: Viking at December 19, 2004 01:22 PM (5D1a3)
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It's not just celebrities who feel this strongly about this president, they are just the only ones who get the news coverage. Strong words like F*** are used to convey strong feelings. I don't see Bush-bashing as much as I see another frustrated American watching his country going backwards instead of forwards at the hands of a man who has continuously mislead his people. I believe that we should stand behind our president (whoever he may be), but not until he stands up for the people instead of himself and his own ideas of what is right and wrong.
Posted by: tt at December 20, 2004 11:32 AM (Dm20C)
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It cracks me up with professional comedians bitch about Bush being an uneducated shmuck.
Thanks, Professor Chase.
Oh well, I still love "Christmas Vacation."
Posted by: Julie Anne Fidler at December 21, 2004 08:25 AM (ywZa8)
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Why does it have to be Chase sucks. Bush is an uneducated jerk, who has got us in a war which looks like a modern day version of the crusades. Bush even was so stupid he wanted to call it the crusade against terriosm. Maybe Chase just has the brain enough to see what is going on and felt he could not hold it in. People need to remeber 49% of us who voted did not vote for Bush. I wish more people would speak their mind about the crap being done in the name of democracy.
Posted by: Delana at December 21, 2004 08:22 PM (ALYVl)
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Hey Chevy! How about another Euro Vacation This time make it One Way & Permanent! I haven't heard crap from this dead-beat comediam for a long time until this! This Haz-Bin Comedian is trying to re-kindle his career! "I'm Chevy Chase and you're NOT!" Well, thank god for that! Because if i was Chevy Chase i'd hang myself and put an end to this misery called Chevy Chase! Where's Chevy Now! Back under that Rock! Like BinLaden! Stay There Looser! I don't give a flying F***K about you! Never did! Never Will!
Posted by: P.S. Perez at January 02, 2005 12:21 AM (6krEN)
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Chevy is not the one responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqis in this gratuitous war now is he?
Posted by: jc at January 04, 2005 03:09 PM (wqZp0)
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No, I believe the fault for that belongs to the man our forces yanked out of a rat hole more than a year ago.
Ah, but you don't want to hear about that, do you?
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Merry Christmas condition RED!
The ACLU and the "politcally correct" would have us dump the phrase "Merry Christmas" in favor of whatever else they can come up with, usually "Happy Holidays." And while I would certainly wish "Happy Holidays" upon everyone to encompass folks who don't celebrate Christmas (as with the just ended Hannukah holidays -- Happy belated Hannukah to those of you who celebrate it), I will not be bullied into downplaying my celebration of the birth of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
And the ACLU can take a flying leap.

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The ACLU That Stole Christmas
By Separation of Church and State
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